|Back And Forth With Lunatics|
|Written by Brenda Shoop|
|Sunday, 14 January 2007|
I thought I would share a debate I've been having via email with some of those lunatics that are caught up in the hysteria surrounding "drugs." I originally went to the site to read a story, but when I read the readers responses, I just had to comment. You'll see why. Just pay attention to the "facts", and I use the term loosely, that these people spout off without even thinking twice.
Here's the original article text: It's Time for Marijuana to be Reclassified...
Good points, Dr Lundberg. After that, I read the readers responses. The one that really got me going was the first one. Notice all the names with all the letters behind them. You would think that this was a professional response, but you'd be wrong. Read it here>>
So here's where the debate starts. I sent a reply to the writer of the piece, Dr Lundberg, and he sent it on to the writers of the letter.
Here's what I wrote:
This is in response to another response! I only wish I had found this earlier. The record needs to be set straight!
Regarding the letter published by Deforest Z. Rathbone, Jr., et.al.:
In fact, here is the section from the source you referenced on current and lifetime marijuana use by students;
"The percentage of students who reported lifetime and current marijuana use increased significantly from 1991–1997 (31.3%–47.1% and 14.7%–26.2%, respectively) and then decreased significantly from 1997–2003 (47.1%–40.2% and 26.2%–22.4%, respectively)." [CDC Morbidity and Mortality Report Surveillance Summaries May 21, 2004 / Vol. 53 / No. SS-2 Page 29]
a quote from Deforest's letter..."With this nation currently suffering 26,000 overdose deaths a year, nearly all of which started with a shared joint of marijuana from a schoolmate..."
What? That's a very bold statement to make without citing where those "facts" came from. Where did that 26,000 number come from? Are you including alcohol, amphetamines, cocaine, prescription drugs, etc?
Please find me one, just one case of a marijuana overdose and I will listen. Until then, please keep your "facts" to yourself until you can find relevent sources for your claims. The source you cite does not hold up your side of the issue.
another quote... "...considering the current level of damage that the population is experiencing from its use..."
Again, where is this information coming from? What level of current damage are you speaking of? I always thought that healthcare professionals were to reserch their materials before even thinking about publishing them. Were you alseep at the switch?
Keep up the good work, Dr Lundberg....eventually we'll set straight the professionals who are supposed to be advocating for their patients instead of succumbing to the hysteria surrounding this issue.
Okay. A little scathing, but hey, I get passionate when dealing with liars. So sue me. Here's the response I received, with my remarks in bold:
Response number 1
Just because people who have used more dangerous drugs started with marijuana doesn't mean that all marijuana users will do hard drugs. And I don't have researched materials to prove this, but I'll just bet that everyone who smoked marijuana started out with cigarettes. But, yet cigarettes are still legal. So the argument just doesn't make logical sense.
Please see the attached press release of ours for the DEA Vigil held last summer to memorialize the many people lost to drugs. Also see the attached drug death graph based on CDC mortality reports citing drugs only; alcohol and tobacco deaths are much higher.
The drug graph looks like it came from a website called the CEDAR Project. I found no such graph on the website, nor numbers to substantiate the claims made on the graph. As you'll see, I found information on that same website that substantiates my side of the debate. Plus, he states right there that "alcohol and tobacco deaths are much higher." Why not intervene at the tobacco stage?
Clinical screening is the only tool that doesn't invade people's rights. Mandatory drug testing violates personal freedom rights. And while I agree that children should not be using "drugs," this is a very slippery slope in regards to personal freedoms.
I have no idea what the point is here.
Do you suppose he never thought about making tobacco and alcohol illegal since he stated that "see the attached drug death graph based on CDC mortality reports citing drugs only; alcohol and tobacco deaths are much higher." This guy just seems to think that since drugs can be at the end of the tunnel, they always are and by God, we need to stop the drugs. Still the argument doesn't make logical sense.
Response number 2
Statistically, more driving deaths are associated with marijuana than alcohol? Who says this? Where did these statistics come from?
Addiction is the problem, not the substances people are addicted to!
Hmmm...let's see what nurse Brenda has to say about these responses....
Mr Rathbone, could you please "cc:" this to Mr Morgan?
Mr. Morgan, my sincerest sympathy regarding your experiences with addiction.
Mr. Rathbone, I pray that my letter didn’t give an impression of anger.
After much of my own research on this subject, using the professional research skills taught to me by my professors in nursing school, I have come to the conclusion that we the American public, have been lied to our entire lives about marijuana. The reasons why it’s illegal (thank William Randolph Hearst). Why it’s still illegal (thank the power handed over to the UN by our government). Why we’re so hysterical about marijuana (thank Harry Anslinger). I could go on and on. It really can be used medicinally to help a wide range of conditions. (you can find lots of research on that too)
I’m just feeling the need to feel angry at someone, anyone, but who? So, the un-referenced information in your article really lit me on fire! So I did more research. I found some information you may find interesting.
I would encourage you to read some of the findings at the CEDAR Project. That’s where the table you sent me looks like it came from. http://www.pitt.edu/~cedar/index.html (I couldn’t find the table)
One of the published journal articles I read pointed to tobacco use as the first predictor of other substance use. Here’s the link: http://www.education.pitt.edu/ocd/publications/sr1995-06.pdf
Maybe, if it is determined that drug testing in schools is a good idea; we should start in elementary school with nicotine tests. That would actually make more sense from the “catching it early” standpoint. (I never actually thought about it that way, but since reading that article, I don’t think I could agree more.)
Please believe me; I am not in favor of anyone putting anything synthetic into their bodies. So please don’t think I have any problem with your goals. And yes, while I do agree that most "hard-drug" users started with marijuana, that doesn't mean that all who use marijuana go on to the "hard stuff." It's identifying the addictive behavior early that's key here.
The only issue I have is the lack of references in the blazing comment that was left on a very objective report based on facts.
Brenda Williams-Shoop, RN, BSN
Fair enough, in my opinion. Let's see what response comes in now.
This link took me to a research study done in Australia called "An Evaluation of the Standardised Field Sobriety Tests for the detection of impairment associated with cannabis with and without alcohol." You can look at the 126-page document yourself, or you can believe me when I tell you that I couldn't find anything to substantiate the claims made here. In fact, this source gave me more ammo. You'll see.
Otherwise intelligent? Should I be offended?
To that, my latest reply...
According to the article you cited, that is simply not true:
So, your sources have failed you yet again.
And from the website you cited in your rebuttal, this is what was on the statistics page: (These statistics show how sixth- and twelfth-graders responded, along with what their parents thought they would respond.)
Sixth-graders reporting use
Twelfth-graders reporting use
You know, I was really cheering for these guys once I heard some of their personal woes, but not anymore. These types of people only want to know what they think they already know. (slow down and read that again) Introducing any new information sends them spinning out of control into "statistics land." (still with no pertinent facts) Go figure.
I'll post a new reply if I get one, but I'm not hopeful.
Jan 14, 2006.....Here's an update
I did indeed receive a reply. Here it is...
I'm not singling out cannabis in my campaign. You're the one fixated on pot. (the original issue was cannabis!) We just want all schoolchildren protected from all drugs including alcohol and tobacco. And we don't want to put anybody in jail for using drugs, particularly kids. Drugs create their own imprisonment. We just want kids health screened for all drugs, alcohol and tobacco in order to allow parents to get them the professional counseling or treatment that can protect their developing brains from potential addiction that currently results in so many overdose deaths and many more dying or being permanently damaged from drug-related causes.
If you want to see an example of drug legalization, visit Baltimore or Washington DC at night- if you dare. Both of those cities have de facto legalized drugs by their crack-head politicians intentionally refusing to enforce the laws against drugs-- unless it happens in front of the police station. And take a look at the proliferation of street people there, most of whose brains have been destroyed by drugs and alcohol. (I did visit Baltimore on a Student Nurse's Association conference trip. And while there were many homeless around, there really weren't any more than what I've seen in other metropolitan areas. But even so, I never felt afraid for my safety walking around at night in the city.)
I'm sorry you cannot see the terrible damage drugs do to people. But that's precisely why all nations have come together in international treaties declaring drugs to be illegal. And why so many druggies destroy themselves.
(These international treaties are what's keeping sick, dying people from using an herb that was given to us by GOD! The rights of the American people have been stripped away by these treaties. Democracy is dead on this issue. There is absolutely no provision for the American people to rise up and change these laws. Therefore, these treaties are unconstitutional! There is no "We the People" available for us here.)
You are right; this discussion is going nowhere. Let's terminate it.
All right, I just have to comment on this whole thing.
NONE of the insane claims were substantiated. Many of my questions were not addressed. And even when they were, the answers were just gobblygook. Using the resources this guy provided, I proved him wrong.
So now, what has this shown us?
1. Liars sometimes seem well meaning.
2. Liars will try to blow smoke up your you-know-what with fancy sounding statistics.
3. When you call a liar on his lie, he uses another lie to cover it up.
4. And when all else fails, a liar will retreat with his tail between his legs.
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